There’s been some questions raised about what a birth certificate from Hawaii might look like.
Here’s mine from 1963, with some of the details redacted.
UPDATE: This is a certified copy made in 1998.
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For you dizzy people who are still hung up on Obama’s birth certificate I have 3 birth certificates sitting in front of me. One is my mothers who was born in 1926 and the certificate says Certificate of Birth, Territory of Hawaii, Bureau of Vital Statistics, Honolulu, TH (“TH”-territory of Hawaii). Then it has an ID number and all the appropriate information, physicians name and address, a territory of Hawaii seal and signed and dated by the Registrar-General.
The 2nd certificate is mine but the original which I lost was the same as my mothers. I was born in the 1940’s. When I went to have a birth certificate made in the 60’s after statehood they would not issue me the original territory of hawaii one so I have one like Obama which lists the minimal am’t of information and it says Certificate of Live Birth, State of Hawaii, Dept of Health, Hawaii USA. No registrar signed this but it states the date filed by registrar. The KEY NOTE on this certificate is on the bottom of the certificate where it states “this copy serves as PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE of the fact of birth”, in other words this is a legal birth document if needed for proof of birth or in court proceedings. I think this is where everyone gets confused but I can guarantee that no one can buy a Hawaii birth certificate if they weren’t born here. My 4 children born in the 60’s and 70’s also have one like Obama and they are all US citizens.
The 3rd certificate that I have is of my grandchild born in the 90’s and it says Certificate of Live Birth, State of Hawaii, Dept of Health, Office of Health Status Monitoring, it also has a file# and an ID# with lots of information including mother & father, MD, registrar, hospital, race, address and it looks similar to alan above who posted his birth certificate in june 2008. someone mentioned that alan’s bc is a military bc and not a hawaii bc and that’s not true. Even when born in Tripler military hospital the bc given the patient is the same one given the residents of Hawaii. The only time there is a “military birth certificate” is when a baby is born in a foreign country and is a US citizen. Why this bc looks different then mine, and my chidrens is beyond me. Like everything else that changes, legal documents also change.
That would be nice IF Obama had a Certificate of Live Birth as you do. Obama says he has a Certification of Live Birth. One ends in a “e” one with an “ion”. They are VERY different documents. The state of Hawaii web sight says directly it does not accept Certification of Live Birth as proof of place of birth. Many people born overseas to Hawaii residents have Certificates of Live Birth, that is the point. A Certification of Live Birth simply says a woman who has a mailing address in Hawaii for at least a year gave birth and the child is alive. It is not proof of where the child was born. If Obama had been born in Hawaii he would have Certificate, with an “e”, of Live Birth. Nobody that I know of has ever shown proof of such a document existing.
To independentview1,
Would you please post the link to the State of Hawaii website that says they do not accept Certification of Live Birth as proof of place of birth?
I found this on Wiki Answers:
Q. Is a certification of live birth the same thing as a birth certificate in Hawaii?
A. Answer: No, but the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth.
There are two categories of documents used in determining eligibility [for Hawaiian Home Lands program]: primary and secondary. Primary Documents Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification. The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth. http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
independentview1, I made a mistake.
My most recent Hawaii birth certificate that was made says Certification of Live Birth. It was the most recent copy of my birth that my daughter applied for, for geneological purposes. It was printed in 2004. Whether it says Certification or Certificate of Birth it is the same and both can be used for legal purposes. My granddaughters original certificate which states Certificate of Live Birth was printed in 1994 when she was born. This is a more detailed certificate similar to alans above. Whyever do they have different looking certificates made by the State of Hawaii Dept of Health is beyond me. The “Certification” of Live Birth states that the copy serves as “prima facie” evidence of the fact of birth and that is the important thing. The state of Hawaii seal is on both types and that’s the important factor along with the certificate and file number. I hope this clarifies your questioning.
Tamra, I can almost guarantee that there is no link available that declares that a Certification of Birth is not a legal birth document. I can guarantee that it is legal. I used my Certification of Birth certificate for court when I adopted my granddaughter. The Hawaiian home lands requirements for proof of birth is as genuine as can be. Those people play no games and if they say certification and certificate is accepted thats because both are legal and they no longer issue the old type, “certificate”.
C’mon independentview1, FYI my “certification” does say where I was born, city, island and country (we weren’t USA yet when I was born) and it says nothing of a woman living in Hawaii for 1 year and gave birth etc bull shit…where in hell did you get your info from……let it go…
Geri,
I too would like to get to the bottom of this BC issue, especially since Hawaii will not even disclose their rules. They refuse to explain the Filed vs Accepted terminology. I would love to see a copy of your BC, confidential information redacted of course. If yours really does say date filed by registrar, maybe it’s because you were born before Hawaii was a state. Would you please contact the DOH to find out what it means on your BC that it says filed by registrar, instead of accepted by registrar? They may respond to you, because you have a vested interest in your BC. However, I’ve seen others born before Hawaii was a state which state accepted by registrar. Thank you in advance. I think you may be able to finally get to the bottom of this once and for all, for all of us. Thank you, God Bless and Happy Thanksgiving.