This is from the comments to an earlier post, but I thought it should be bumped up for more visibility.
Peter Taylor has some great info on his site
This is from the comments to an earlier post, but I thought it should be bumped up for more visibility.
Peter Taylor has some great info on his site
I read that orbital rocket launches currently have a failure rate of ten percent. Now that’s expensive.
Imagine where air travel would be with a ten percent failure rate.
Right about where riding a Seqway to Hawaii is today.
I apologize for my colleagues’ rudeness, but they are mostly correct. The problems with chemical rockets have nothing to do with scaling. We don’t know how to make cheap small ones, either. 🙁
The mass of a pressure vessel scales linearly with volume. Aerodynamics favors larger vehicles, and larger launch vehicles tend to cost less per pound than smaller ones. There’s no reason in principle why you couldn’t build a rocket as large as a supertanker and launch it from water as Robert Truax (Seadragon) and Jim Akkerman (Advent) proposed. But you’d never find enough customers at $5000/lb. to fill your manifest. The problem is that all launch vehicles, large and small, are prohibitively expensive for commercial manned spaceflight.
However, you may be correct about having struck a nerve. Here are a couple of dirty little aerospace engineering secrets:
1. Nobody really knows why rockets are so expensive.
2. Nobody will admit that they don’t know.
Rand Simberg claims that it’s because of economies of scale, but I’m not persuaded. I prefer Maxwell Hunter’s “lack of intact abort capability” explanation.
You have an economics background. I would be delighted to hear your reaction to my Launch Cost Rant (a discussion of 19 different explanations I’ve heard):
http://home.earthlink.net/~peter.a.taylor/launch.htm
Once you get into low Earth orbit, I agree that large vehicles need something better than chemical rockets. But for Earth launch, if we don’t know why chemical rockets are so expensive, how do we know that something else is going to be better?
Peter Taylor
Economically speaking, I think there is one main reason rockets are so expensive, although everything on your list (except for the first three) contributes to the problem.
Economies of scale in rocket production and operation.
Historically, rockets have been one off builds. One offs can’t use the economies of scale that an industrial production line brings to cost savings. Since World War II even airplanes haven’t been built in true assembly line quantities. A few hundred or even a few thousand built won’t drive the price down much. You have to build tens of thousands or even millions. Then the true economies of scale kick in.
Think of cars. If your car had to be built one at a time, and the factory only made a few hundred a year from all custom parts, it would cost millions of dollars. Sure enough, if you look at Formula 1 cars, those are the prices they deal with.
Anything built as a one off will be orders of magnitude more expensive than the product of an assembly line. Prototypes of everything from cars to electronics are hundreds of times more expensive than the final product. I used to work for a company that designed microchips, and the chips they made to test designs were incredibly expensive because the production runs were so small. When they finalized the design, they shipped it off to one of the big fabs and the chips were made for pennies a piece.
I mentioned airplane production in WWII. The US built over 300,000 airplanes from 1939 to 1945, and on assembly lines like cars. I think that if we made that many rockets in six or seven years, they’d be pretty cheap.
Notice that I’m talking about economies of scale in building the rockets, not in launches. Operational economies of scale have more to do with manpower costs than anything else. Imagine NASA trying to launch a rocket every day of the year. Epic Fail.
One off production methods equal expensive. Sometimes there’s nothing you can do about it. Dams and tall buildings are one offs too, and incredibly expensive, but the expense is amortized through constant use over decades. A new 737 costs around $50 million (Boeing made 5700 as of 2008, an average of 142 a year. Still not what I consider production line quantities.), but an airline will fly it full, at least a couple of times a day, every day for years. A Boeing 777 is estimated at $187 – $250 million yet airlines are buying them because they know they can amortize the costs over thousands of flights. If you could do that with the space shuttle, you’d amortize the $1.7 billion cost of the Endeavor pretty quick, but it would be impossible to fly that pig twice a day, every day for years. Instead we get estimates of $1.3 billion per launch over the life of the program for the space shuttle.
If we get to the point where we can build a rocket that can be launched thousands of times with minimal turn around expense and low operational manpower requirements then they’ll approach airliner economies of scale in operation. On the other hand, if we can build hundreds of thousands of them, the cost per rocket would be lower and we wouldn’t have to worry about amortizing the costs over long term operation.
Frankly I don’t see hundreds of thousands of rockets being built. So the best bet is to come up with a robust design that can hold up with minimal maintenance for thousands of flights.
So I’ll throw it back to you, as an aerospace stress analyst, is it possible to build an airframe and engine system for a rocket that can hold up for the thousands of flights required to amortize it’s costs down to levels comparable with those of airline operations? I think your point about intact abort capability falls in there somewhere.
(My bet is no, but I’d love to be wrong.)